Use Third Form or Henle I

[Amada]

I need some guidance regarding 9th grade Latin.

We started with Prima Latina in 3rd grade, Latina Christiana I in 4th grade, repeated it in 5th grade (I don't remember if we did LC II), then did FF in 7th and SF in 8th. Should we continue with the Third Form or begin the Henle I? What is the difference between the TF and Henle I?

I understand that she'll receive 1 high school credit for Third Form Latin in 9th grade.

What would we use in 10th, 11th, and 12th grades?

Thanks for your help!

[pschaeffer]

I would suggest continuing with Third Form. In 10th grade she would do Fourth Form (which requires the Henle I text book for the exercises), 11th grade Henle II, 12th grade Henle III (or II if she requires more time).

Continuing the Form series seems best because she is already used to the system of the series. The Form series (the four books together) covers the same material that is covered in Henle I. Whether she studies the Forms or Henle, she would take two more years to finish the equivalent of Henle I (if you do more than half of Henle I in one year, there will be very little mastery of the material, even if you have had FF and SF prior to it). It is almost impossible to jump mid-way into Henle because the concepts are covered in a different order.

The main difference is between the Form series and Henle is how quickly the student gets into translation. Since we recommend starting the Form series in 4th or 5th grade, it has taken into consideration a student's natural progression from the grammar stage to the logic stage--for the first two years the student focuses almost solely on knowing the grammar forms, and then in TF and Fourth Form we try to ease them into translation. From Unit I of Henle the student is already translating which can be an added burden on a younger student who excels in memorization. The two series also differ in their layout--it is easy to know how much to do in a week in the Form series whereas the Henle book is not laid out as clearly. Since I am on the topic of layout, I will also say that the Henle books have no Teacher guide but only an answer key, which can be sorely missed by a homeschooling parent.

You are correct about the high school credit.

I hope I didn't overdo it with my long post! If I left anything unclear, I would be happy to clarify for you.

Paul

[AbbeyLehman]

[QUOTE=pschaeffer;16680]I would suggest continuing with Third Form. In 10th grade she would do Fourth Form (which requires the Henle I text book for the exercises), 11th grade Henle II, 12th grade Henle III (or II if she requires more time).

Continuing the Form series seems best because she is already used to the system of the series. The Form series (the four books together) covers the same material that is covered in Henle I. Whether she studies the Forms or Henle, she would take two more years to finish the equivalent of Henle I (if you do more than half of Henle I in one year, there will be very little mastery of the material, even if you have had FF and SF prior to it). It is almost impossible to jump mid-way into Henle because the concepts are covered in a different order.

The main difference is between the Form series and Henle is how quickly the student gets into translation. Since we recommend starting the Form series in 4th or 5th grade, it has taken into consideration a student's natural progression from the grammar stage to the logic stage--for the first two years the student focuses almost solely on knowing the grammar forms, and then in TF and Fourth Form we try to ease them into translation. From Unit I of Henle the student is already translating which can be an added burden on a younger student who excels in memorization. The two series also differ in their layout--it is easy to know how much to do in a week in the Form series whereas the Henle book is not laid out as clearly. Since I am on the topic of layout, I will also say that the Henle books have no Teacher guide but only an answer key, which can be sorely missed by a homeschooling parent.

You are correct about the high school credit.

I hope I didn't overdo it with my long post! If I left anything unclear, I would be happy to clarify for you.

Paul[/QUOTE]

This is super info!! My son will be doing FF in 6th (next week!!), so he will do Sf in 7th, TF in 8th, and 4th Form in 9th. So, just so I'm clear, he would Henle II in 10th, III in 11th, and IV in 12th, correct? Assuming he doesn't need to slow down, that is, yes? I am attempting to sketch out middle & high school right now to make sure he covers what he needs covered to enter the programs he wants in college....Thank you so much!!

[pschaeffer]

Yes, you are correct. We do like to give the student two years for Henle II when they are able to tackle it in 8th or 9th grades, but in your case one year should do it if he can keep up. Because Henle II-IV are translation courses, he actually does not necessarily need to finish Henle II before he moves on to Henle III.

Paul

[Amada]

Hi Paul, thank you for your reply. My daughter will be continuing with Third Form.

I need a course description for the Second, Third, and Fourth Form Latin courses. Do you have these?

Thank you, again, for putting together such a fine course curriculum as the Form series.

[tanya]

Hi, Amada.

I'm posting the scope & sequence for all the Forms here for you.

I hope this helps!

Tanya

[Amada]

Thank you, Tanya. These will be helpful in composing the course descriptions.