LC1: Review Lesson 1-Noun Declensions

[Minor Mom]

When the nouns end in "ia" (gloria, Gallia, Italia, memoria, patria, victoria), how do the plural Dative and Ablative forms appear? We are getting two i's together and that can't be right. I found a website that showed me the declension of "filia" and it used "filiabus" for the Dative and Ablative forms.

I've searched through the book and may be overlooking this instruction. Could you provide some clarification for me on this point.

Thank you in advance for your time.

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In review lesson 1 and in lesson 6, we are encouraged to decline all the nouns learned thus far. When I started to decline Italia, I wondered about the double "i" I get on the plural dative and ablative cases. Is this correct?

[U]Singular[/U]
Italia
Italiae
Italiae
Italiam
Italia

[U]Plural[/U]
Italiae
Italiarum
Italiis
Italias
Italiis

The same thing occurs when you decline filia, gloria, Gallia, and memoria. Please tell if I am doing this correctly. I don't want to teach my kids wrong.

Susanna

[fn220]

Did these questions ever get answered?? I have the same question!

[tanya]

The post above is correct. I actually declined these nouns for a customer, but they run together when I put the post up. I hope you can understand them.

aqua fortuna gloria Gallia Italia lingua
aquae fortunae gloriae Galliae Italiae linguae
aquae fortunae gloriae Galliae Italiae linguae
aquam fortunam gloriam Galliam Italiam linguam
aqua fortuna gloria Gallia Italia lingua
aquae fortunae gloriae Galliae Italiae linguae
aquarum fortunarum gloriarum Galliarum Italiarum linguarum
aquis fortunis gloriis Galliis Italiis linguis
aquas fortunas glorias Gallias Italias linguas
aquis fortunis gloriis Galliis Italiis linguis

You are right about the extra i, but you'll never go wrong if you find the stem (by dropping the genitive singular ending) and write that stem 10 times, then add the endings.

Tanya

[Helen07]

Singular - Plural
ia - iae
iae - iarum
iae - iis
iam - ias
ia - iis

[jeremiah213]

Tanya's right,

YOu don't have to memorize a long list of which nouns take a double -ii- in the first and 2nd dec. instead use the rule that a noun is composed of a stem and an ending

noun = stem + ending

and that the stem of any Latin noun is found by removing the ending from the gen. sing.

Then you just add your regular endings to that stem and voila! you have your declension. This sometimes yields a double -ii- in the case where the stem and ending both end and begin respectively with an -i-

as in italia

stem = itali-

so when you add the dative plural ending -is for example you get

stem ending
Itali is = Italiis

but that is only a function of the stem combining with the ending. Happy Latin-ing!

Glen Moore